You should always carry with a round chambered. Belittle all you like, there is only one gun in my house which I will not keep around fully loaded, and that is my one Glock. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. and self styled know it alls. In some cases it's not legal. You can conceal the Glock 43 comfortably and discretely in a Galco leather holster like the . I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! "The mountains are calling and I must go." They are all single-action guns even if the marketing guys play games saying they are 1.5-action or whatever. A S&W Model 329. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. Now, to rein in this trip into the weeds. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? The most likely time a kid will get their hands on my gun is if it somehow gets knocked loose from my [high-quality, proper-retention] holster during movement in tight spaces while I am wearing it. Options are good. Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. It became the norm to carry with an empty chamber. Again, though, training is the answer. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. Carry your GLOCK pistol chambered without worry, the same as every other modern striker fired pistol on the market. Um. Agreed. And I dont want to have to think about anything. There are more and complicated details about the Israeli attitude (prohibition) of self-defense, but the point is that the Israeli system may work for the IDF, but not for you. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. I carry with one in the chamber but you choose not to. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. When the time comes that you actually need your carry weapon things are going to happen really fast. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. sanctimonious what iffers Some of the biggest mistakes happen when training at sex. Yeah, me too. There is at least one fully loaded firearm in every room of my house and my shop. Even though they don't have . It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. Unlikely. What you are overlooking is the odds. Go. Its your right to self defense. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. Some militaries wanted to normalize carrying a pistol or rifle with a loaded chamber for obvious reasons, but they ran into some of these same issues on old guns. What Glock Is Most Used By Law Enforcement; Who Makes The Glock 22 Does the Glock fire then? I only know my own lifes experiences, fwiw, too many LEOs cant hit chit no matter what the tool, and Im an honorary. Thats when I started looking for a better way. I wouldnt worry about it. If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. Heres a link to it. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. Why would anyone want only one of something? I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. . With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? You've only seen one page. So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. Not thinking human beings. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Each new design improved the handgun and its features. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. I used to carry a Walther PPQ. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. Its your right to be retarded. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. IMO, anyway. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. I notice that you had to go look it up though. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. As the saying goes, you do you. A typing error, or wishful thinking? So were really talking only about safe carry and capacity, as the first shot fired will be from the NEXT chamber. And my Glock 17. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. you roll the dice. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. The Israelis do it, and I do too. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Agree with the author 100%. So anybody can mess with anybody here at any time, by pretending to be somebody else. Hell, try it with a taser. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. My opinion. 19th century Colt hammers. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. Length: 7.3. But, some want only one item to cover every base. Thats intentional. Hell you pour sand down MY ass crack and I'll jam up and and fail to extract Ive carried different glocks with a round chambered in iwb/owb holsters and never had a problem with it. As stated above, Glocks are safe. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. Colt change the SAA!? Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. If you were to compile a list of incidents of the GLOCK ND and start reading through them, youll find that in virtually every single instance, human error was the culprit. I got them after watching the best experts I know of, champions, and their green light review. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. (I don't think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.) This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? Is it just something one has to get used to? Victoria: For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. , I never said I dont make mistakes I just never have with a gun hurt your feelings knute man up and get over it, Look what I found: Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. OK, this isnt enough for you? Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? Maybe you just fumble finger the Glock when its out of the holster being put in a lockbox or on the counter at the range. I recommend RTS Tactical for reliable, rifle-stopping options, Youre worth it. Do you, punk? If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. 7. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. Fairbairn and E.A. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. In the 1930's, W.E. If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. I carry with a round chambered in my autoloading handguns. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. That connected to the trigger, which only dropped out of the way when the trigger was fully pressed. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber . Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. Sykes wrote their highly influential book, " Shooting To Live," based on their experiences with the Shanghai Police Department. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. whenever anyone posts on this page: Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. I think it's more about . While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? So F_____g what? The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. Prices accurate at time of writing. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. Glocks have only mode of carry once you chamber a round. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. Many competition shooters boast about having it done to their race gun. Despite its . What is your birthday including time and birth location? Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW.