Readers should approach all listed loads with all due caution, as every rifle chamber and case are a bit different. Also, both the magnum and standard primers were of the same brand (Federal). At that moment, I knew this combo would work for my varmint hunting needs! I tried contacting Hornady for starting load data but was told they simply have no data for the 22 Creed. It's all about looking at speed and BC together. Hornady's taking a long-range shot at outgunning the .22 Swift with its blistering 22 Creedmoor bullets, with the 75-grain ELD handloads leaving the pipe at 3,200 fps. Not sure on barrel life. You must log in or register to reply here. I have made shots out to 487 yards and continue to push it to the ethical limits on extended range varmint hunting. More research brought me to Reloder 17 powder. This .54-inch group resulted from 35.5 grains of Alliant Reloder 16 beneath Hornadys 90-grain A-Tip at only 2,765 fps. In our opinion, the easiest way to avoid this problem is by not exceeding the established safe velocities we have listed above. Case capacity very similar to 22-250 AI. The other that stands out, is at 6:32 in the video. It wasnt a bang or even a pop, but a soft snap like a stick breaking far away. Starline 6mm Creedmoor Brass Large Primer (necking down is a very simple process and Starline holds up to the resizing very well) With its 55 grain or lighter bullet and laser-like trajectory, the 22-250 is a varmint round through and through. Now let's do one more head-to-head comparison, and that is simply the average muzzle velocity. The Remington Golden Bullet 36 gr has less drag than the CCI Stinger Ammo. Cliff T Based off the 6.5 Creedmoor case and that new family of centerfire cartridges, the 22 Creedmoor, while still in the development stage in terms of factory offerings, is turning some heads. That is pure energy being released into the chuck when the bullet hit (1237 foot pounds of energy). I figured if i can find the right COAL while breaking in the barrel it would be a plus. 88s in mine were running 3550fps. I have been thinking about rebarraling it to a 6 or 6.5 creedmoor to make a long range varmenter. Both dropped. So does having a higher FPS help when it comes to semi auto pistols and rifles? The latest generation in Remington Core-Lokt ammo is available with Remington Core-Lokt Tipped 6.5 Creedmoor 129 Grain Centerfire Rifle Ammo. Horizon Firearms is also a retailer of Peterson Cartridge .22 Creedmoor casings, their own brand of .22 Creedmoor loaded ammunition, and Whidden reloading dies for the .22 Creedmoor. Improved Military Rifle IMR 7977. More often than not, the fastest load is not the most accurate load. This leaves custom rifles, and for that I turned to Dale Hegstrom, owner of Little Crow Gunworks. Wow that is awsome! This is the first time Ive enjoyed the luxury of handpicking every component during a custom-rifle build, and Hegstrom is a true master. The 22 Creedmoor round is just too darn good to pass up, and yes, I see the same pattern in future factory rifles developing. When varmint hunting, small caliber bullets going extremely fast, most always results in quick, clean, kills and DRT animals. Why then is the new cartridge not being offered in a factory loaded round yet? In some instances, the velocity SD and ES might improve or worsen, depending on where you are in relation to a consistent velocity node in your particular rifle. The Kimber Open Country rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor wears a 24-inch barrel to wring every last bit of velocity from the cartridge. There was the obvious temptation to add some 55- to 69-grain bullets, just to see what kind of velocity would be generated, but I have access to the 1:9 twist .220 Swift mentioned earlier to handle such duties at similar speeds so resisted. I find there are less FTF's and FTE's when I use at least 1255 FPS. Both sets of rounds were fired in our lab, using our universal receiver, which has a 24 barrel. Soon after that there was a soft but distinct snapping sound in the dead still morning air of a suppressed shot. Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. At the kill site, Smith found a stone-dead male coyote shot straight through the head. J Jfal Professional F4 Defense is a top-tier rifle manufacturer who specializes in semi-automatic rifles, specifically small fame AR10s. The only .224-inch bullet with a higher BC is Sierras 95-grain MatchKing with a .600 BC. SAAMI test data confirms 6.5 mm Creedmoor, 15 feet (4.6 m) from muzzle, velocity of 2,940 ft/s (896 m/s) for the 129-grain bullet and 2,690 ft/s (820 m/s) for the 140-grain bullet (which compares to .300 Winchester Magnum data of 2,930 ft/s (893 m/s) for a 200-grain bullet and 2,665 ft/s (812 m/s) for a 210-grain bullet). The 105-115 gr bullets they favor make it easier to see their impacts at long range. Just a note on the reloading dies I am using. This also creates a different beast altogether, including higher maximum pressures (based on SAMMI 6mm CM numbers). My first was chambered in Rugers Precision Rifle topped with a Vortex Optics Viper PST 6-24x 50mm scope. Lets compare the CCI 22LR Stinger Ballistics to the Remington Golden Bullet 22LR Ballistics! Learn how your comment data is processed. Cache Carlson On the first day of what I call a research and informational hunt, we went afield with the rifle. Shooters World Long Rifle proved a good match for the .22 Creedmoor. F4 Defense, in a partnership with Spark Munitions, now also offers their own line of loaded ammunition. Good luck with the rifle. Please understand that the bullets and powders we chose to evaluate may not be the most popular among some shooters; however, our goal is to provide a wide spectrum of bullet weights and the powders used with them. Bryan Joey Fielder The .22 Creedmoor (and this rifle especially) is a definite winner. The 22 Creedmoor will likely be 1-8" twist, for the windy days and 243AI will be fast twist to hit 'em hard in close. Bullet choice became more excruciating. Gemtech One Suppressor Up until now, that has not happened with the .22 Creedmoor. Patricks .22 Creedmoor, built by Dale Hegstrom of Little Crow Gunworks, includes a MAGPUL magazine well kit to hold a 10-round detachable magazine. He is also a reseller of Barnard Actions, Peterson Cartridge rifle brass, loaded ammunition, and projectiles. Federal GM-215M Primers. Ramshot Magnum, relative to other options from this rifle/cartridge, provided groups from .60 to .92 inch at 3,136 to 3,336 fps despite very low extreme velocity spreads. And what could you expect barrel life to be? We hope the above data will help you shoot your .22 Creedmoor with greater confidence that the load you have developed to work in your rifle not only shoots great but is also at a safe working pressure. https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/22-creedmoor.6255624/. I ran a pile of loads through my 22creed. He concluded it worked best as a varminter, but could also do PRS duty, provided it is loaded under the 3200 fps velocity limit common in PRS matches. Return to tradition with the Core-Lokt ammunition . Velocity was pretty good with rl 26 at around 3100, but I'm getting 3000 with 4350 with low es and way more consistent groups. With that information, the rifles Ive used all had 1:7-inch twists and, with 75-grain Hornady ELD bullets, they all performed like super hybrid long range gunning systems. Velocity average was 3,272 fps. I wouldn't recommend h1000. Starline 6mm Creedmoor Brass Large Primer, Zeiss Conquest V6 3-18x50mm (30mm tube), .17 Remington AR15 Project with Rockchuck and Thermal Coyote Hunts, The Mossberg 940 Pro Turkey Shotgun Perfect for Coyote Hunting, 2022 New Thermal and Night Vision Products from AGM Global Vision, Lithgow LA-101 Overview and Hunt Report 17HMR Series, Franklin Armory F17-L Review and Hunt Report, The New Steyr Arms Zephyr II Rimfire Rifle, Review of the Winchester 1885 Rifle in 17WSM with Hunt Report, Varminter Magazine Live Stream Q&A Rimfire Ammo 17WSM LF The Future of Varminter, ICOtec Game Callers New for 2023 Including Nightstalker+ and Rascal Bluetooth Game Call. . As built by LRI,Long Rifles, Inc.out of Sturgis, S.D., the rifle is a turn-bolt tack driver set up very much like most upper grade long range rifles we see as custom-built field tools. 1 at 395 and the other around 475.. The pressure measured for each load was not meaningfully affected by this slight COAL shortening. IMR-4955 Enduron did its best work as loads approached maximum (an arbitrary term with this new cartridge), assembling a .39-inch group at 3,272 fps. Get yours Today! Plus the round is just straight-up fun to shoot. In fact, we (Peterson Cartridge) personally own one of their Competition Primer Seaters which we use for our development work in our loading operation. The 22lr muzzle energy is the kinetic energy of the bullet as it leaves the muzzle. H4350 is my go to powder on all 4 of my creedmoor. Send your results to help@mcarbo.com! Testing my two rifles here at Ballistics Research & Development I am nothing but impressed. Patricks .22 Creedmoor was built by Little Crow Gunworks on a Remington 700 action using a PROOF Research barrel and Stockys AccuBlock EuroMatch adjustable cheekpiece laminated stock. That said, we understand the technical audience for whom we are producing this data sheet. The R17 gave me everything I was looking for and availability at the time was not an issue. This takes place not with the Swifts lightweight 55-grain bullets, but heavy weights that run into the 75- and 80-plus grain weights. Daniel Y Im also eager to test powders that excelled with the 90-grain Berger. . In addition to their hundreds of other bullet options, Sierra also produces some heavy-for-caliber 22 caliber bullet options which are suited well for use with the .22 Creedmoor. You heard that correctly. I also loaded some 95 smks with H4831sc and H1000. 22 Creedmoor Brass from Peterson Cartridge Through-out 2020, the .22 Creedmoor racked up dozens of kills, from rockchucks to coyotes. A MAGPUL magazine well kit was added. I have a 1:8 prefit coming in a couple weeks and need to get some bullets ordered. On the fresh snow, it was easy to observe them zig zagging along, but always heading at an angle toward Smiths call. From what info I was able to find on the net, it was designed a few years ago by the GAP ( Georgia Precision) folks specifically to shoot long heavy .22 cal bullets at decent hunting velocity while providing a good barrel life and flawless feeding from detachable mags. The 22CM hits with 300ft/lbs more energy at 600yds than a 6.5CM. In addition to our data sheet, we have included a few of these loads, complete with their associated pressures and velocities, below. Only users with topic management privileges can see it. Bergers 90-grain VLD Target bullet shot from my .223 Remington AR-15 with a 1:7 twist has successfully killed everything from Wyoming long-range, windy-day prairie dogs to brush-country Texas hogs. Magnum primers increased our velocity, on average, by 25 fps, #2. The primers were also of Match grade quality. If you look at the 22lr ballistics table above you will see how the muzzle velocity of 22lr diminishes at 100 yards and 200 yards. Therefore, in the Maximum Pressure Load Data section listed above, we were only able to estimate the pressure each load produced in the rifle. The .22 Creedmoor (and this rifle especially) is a definite winner. Rl26 is you can find it. LEARN MORE about the 22 Creedmoor That was followed by a strange movement of air that tracked through the cold very far off, then stopped abruptly with a thud-like sound. Timothy Mancillas, Contributing/Guest Writers Bullet Choices for 22 Creedmoor We have also found that frequent rifle cleaning, to remove carbon fouling, can help prevent bullet disintegration. Although the CZ 550 I converted had a detachable box magazine (which are hard to find), I was able to still set the bullet depth at2.095 to the lands, then back-off at 50 thousandths and have them chamber with no issues. You will enjoy it. 22 LR Bullet Weight: Weight of the bullet in grains, there are 7000 grains in one pound; the abbreviation for grains is gr. Cache Carlson Federal Premium Gold Medal 201 Match primers were seated. The Timney Trigger was adjusted to break at a crisp 1.53 pounds. As the trigger breaks, targets explode (observed against prairie dogs under ballistics testing as applied to his article). Its what Ive done with 22 Dasher and 22x47L. JavaScript is disabled. Accurate MAGPRO turned in lackluster results, with most groups breaking an inch, though not by much. I have not grouped past 1,000 with that rifle yet though. It's basically a measure of how streamlined the bullet is. Reloder 16 printed a .54-inch group at only 2,821 fps with 35.5 grains of powder and .64 inch with an added grain of powder at 2,910 fps (12-fps extreme velocity spread). The .22 Creedmoor is an excellent varmint round, for both small, to larger coyote sized animals. Jake Dempsey New Hunter Experience None of the Big-Five rifle makers have expressed interest in the .22 Creedmoor at this time. Having a slightly heavier bullet, while still keeping the ballistic advantage of a light bullet out to 500 yards, was the real sweet spot for anyone looking at the .22 Nosler, .224 Valkyrie and the .22 Creedmoor. Relatively slow-burning powders were chosen to accommodate the .22 Creedmoors overbore dynamics, leaning heavily on temperature stable formulas and/or those with de-coppering agents when possible. Noslers 85-grain RDF, with a .498 BC, is not a bullet likely to expand properly on small varmints, though it would make an ideal choice for shooting predators destined for the raw-fur market. In doing that, regardless of what bullet and powder one chooses, if you have access to a chronograph and a powder burn rate chart, you will be able to estimate a safe maximum pressure load for your rifle chambered in .22 Creedmoor. Smith, along with Lakota guide Big John Willcuts, locked down their bipods on a ridgeline about 600 yards off to our right. I am just kind of getting in to "long" range. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Theoretically, the bullet will encounter less resistance in a slower twist barrel due to the rifling not slowing the bullet down as much, thus putting a faster rate-of-twist on the bullet as it passes through the barrel. We then tested those loads in our universal receiver so we could record a pressure for each load. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that this is going to be the start of something big in the ammunition development industry. Find out more about how this website uses cookies to enhance your browsing experience. They are very well made and are always consistent. In fact, I was planning my own build at the time, using a Howa 1500 donor rifle, so I understood the want for this dynamic cartridge, in a bolt-action rifle! . Move up two more grains or powder, the velocity steps up to 3,400 fps and downrange it tends to fight wind like very few other bullets. With more time I will undoubtedly work that out but I am more than pleased with where I have begun. What is the Best Role for the 22 Creedmoor? With the help of our other Varminter brother, David H., we developed a load in QuickLoad that I used to create the first loads for accuracy testing. What is the difference between the 22 Creedmoor and the 22 Cheetah? Cache Carlson There were four of us in our hunting party, so we split up and covered two sides of a long draw that seemed custom-made for a called song dog. Zeiss Conquest V6 3-18x50mm (30mm tube) Warne 30mm Rings, Suppressor: My average shot on coyotes is between 200 and 300 yards and about the same on crows. Im hopeful A-Tip groups will tighten as the barrel breaks in. I have not grouped past 1,000 with that rifle yet though. I expect terminal performance can only improve after boosting velocity 500 fps via the .22 Creedmoor. This is where I'd start. The group measured .26 inch center-to-center. We were fighting very strong winds, with gusts up to 35mph! Since its inception in 2007, the 6.5 Creedmoordeveloped by Hornadyhas seen meteoric growth in its popularity. Others have experienced the same thing saying it builds up a carbon ring in the barrel. We then fired both sets of 5 rounds and recorded the pressure and velocity for each round. I chose a completely random load of 41 grains of Vihtavuori N560 beneath this bullet. In fact, all 80-grain ELD Match loads printed less than an inch, only one breaking .75 inch. Goodluck. Price for a 22 Creedmoor build really depends on components selected. The Hornady 80-grain ELD Match enters the realm of true long-range territory, owing a .485 BC, and handily exceeding the .450 threshold I consider a touchstone for varmint shooting beyond 400 yards, especially when wind stirs. Again, every bit of energy from the bullet was released on impact. My reasons for this recommendation are numerous, but the results in pictures and on the video(s) released, solidify my reason for making this suggestion. Glen R. Shaffer For reasons that are unclear, Winchester chose the 6mm Lee Navy case as the parent for their new high velocity .22 caliber cartridge instead of the .250/3000 Savage. SUB-2000 Glock 19 vs 17. Eric Mayer, Overviews/Technical/Guns/Reloading: 22 LR Muzzle Velocity: 22 long rifle muzzle velocity is the speed with which a bullet leaves the barrel measured in feet per second (FPS). If you make a habit of perusing gun magazines, for the past several years you could be excused for believing the 6.5 Creedmoor was the only centerfire cartridge of significance. Terry Fauth (left) and JimSmith called and dropped this coyote at 1,017 yards with Smith's custom 22 Creedmoor during bullet testing in central South Dakota. One thing we have not yet covered in this data sheet is the difference rifling twist causes, as they relate to pressure. I need to get some better glass if I am going to reach out farther consistently. Those loads also used the 80-grain Berger VLDs and are somewhat of a copy of Smiths handload. After the rifle was completed, Hegstrom requested ammunition to verify feeding and overall function. Is the KEL TEC SUB-2000 California legal. Its owner and shooter, Jim Smith, knew the rifle like the back of his hand, and when theWar of the Dogsstarted, it showed in spades. Mike Barton However, we think that the cartridge is better suited for lighter 65-80 grain bullets. Normas time-tested MRP proved remarkably consistent with 41.5-, 42.5- and 43.5-grain charges producing nearly identical groups of .45, .46 and .47 inch, respectively, at velocities from 3,198 to 3,371 fps. The 22 Creedmoor's' standard is a 1-in-7/1-8-inch fast-twist barrel, combined with the increased case volume to push long and heavy .22 bullets at over at 3,450 feet per second. Reloder 17 Powder Mine pushes an 80gr berger just past 3500fps. Need assistance? Some hunters make good use of it for deer hunting via pinpoint shot . 22-250 Remington is its name, and speed is its game: This .22 caliber rifle cartridge boasts a muzzle velocity that can exceed 4,000 fps. The cheetah might have a bit more horsepower depending on who's loading it, but the 22CM is an easy button in comparison. I started by gathering required parts: a new Remington 700 .308 action, Timney Trigger, PROOF Research barrel blank with a 1:7 twist (ordered through stockysstocks.com), a Stockys AccuBlock EuroMatch adjustable cheekpiece laminated stock and a MAGPUL magazine well kit with a PMag 10-round box magazine. Shot 2 antelope with my 77gr TMK load last fall. Nos BT or V-Max. Hailing from Central Idaho, Cache has been a predator caller for over 20 years.He is a frequent participant in Coyote calling contests across the Northwestern States.His knowledge of predator habits and the tools needed to hunt them is the reason why we now have him writing for Varminter Magazine. Along with his reloading dies, he also produces reloading tools and custom rifles. Yes sir. Loren Lunsford __dcid.push({"cid":"DigiCertClickID_nrxaWyMP","tag":"nrxaWyMP"}); . Bergers 90-grain VLD Target and 44 grains of Vihtavuori N565 produced this .30-inch group at 3,100 fps. Enter the 22 Creedmoor as an AT&T long distance fur harvesting system. Every single kill was the result of devastating destruction that was an instantaneous death, or as close as you could get to one. The 308/175 SMK outperformed the 6.5 Creedmoor/ 142 SMK inside of 800 yards, however, at 1,000 yards the superior characteristics of the 142 SMK allows it to perform better. Powders between H4350 and H1000 should provide a winner. The 22 Creedmoor will come standard with a 1-in-7-inch fast-twist barrel, and combined with the increased volume inside its case, you can push those long pills over at 3,450 feet per second! I shot more than 20 rockchucks that first full day out at the ranch. One that comes to mind is at 4:56 in the video. bare muzzle). AZZA Flatlander He shot this water-filled aluminum can at 200 yards. Rocky Meadors When they hit a certain point, both dogs dropped out of sight. A full case of h1000 was around 3350 i believe and i think that was around 46grs. Patrick shot this single ragged-hole group with Noslers 85-grain RDF over 40 grains of Alliant Reloder 23 during initial sighting in. Analyzing the above data, we observe that changing between using standard large rifle primers and large rifle magnum primers did cause a slight change in a few outcomes, including velocity and pressure, during our test: #1. Similarly, choosing bullets with thicker jackets will also help prevent disintegration during flight. So, we took the time to do a little testing to show the difference using a magnum primer can make compared to a standard primer when shooting .22 Creedmoor. When we met up with them, Smith and Willcuts were stacking extra gear and getting ready to start a march across some deep snow uphill to retrieve the coyote and assess bullet damage. I'd say try your 4831sc or pick up some h4350. However, the faster you push the bullets, the higher likelihood you will experience a problem with your bullets disintegrating in flight. It took three years to see the first factory offered turn-bolt Valkyrie. . Please check out his website at https://www.whiddengunworks.com/. Muzzle velocity changes per inch of barrel length ranged from 6 ft/sec per inch between 20 and 19 inches to 63 ft/sec per inch between 19 and 18 inches. feature By: Patrick Meitin | February, 21. New, properly-headstamped brass was ordered from Hornady and was used in all loads. Alliant Reloder 23 improved things substantially, with 40 grains resulting in a .28-inch group at a zippy 3,334 fps and with an extreme velocity spread of 37 fps. In addition to producing some of the lightest AR10s in the world, F4 Defense is the only company in the gas gun industry that has a SUB-1/2MOA accuracy guarantee. Rauch Precision Suppressor Cover, Mad Dog Weapons Systems / Bruce Finnegan Barrel Install/Work. Lapua brass has outstanding consistency and durability. While this certainly can be used for PRS and tactical competition, the 22 Creedmoor seems to be ideally suited as a high velocity varmint round something to replace the 22-250. Overall, none gave me the accuracy, velocity and lower pressures I was looking for. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Fundamentally, we believe that reducing/slowing the twist rate in your rifle (e.g. I used RL26 almost exclusively and found it to be a little bit touchy. David Hillis, Jr. According to Derek Peterson, President of Peterson Cartridge, We decided to build the tooling to make our .22 Creedmoor brass in response to the uptick in long-distance predator and varmint hunting. Also mag feeding of the Creedmoor case is far superior to the 22-250ai A 1:7" 22-250 with the 80.5 vld's is a great option too! The 22 Creedmoor is a wildcat caliber you get by necking down a 6.5mm Creedmoor to .22 cal. Andy Moe This hot rod of a .22-caliber barn burner is a tough nut to crack in terms of exactly what is the best barrel twist to use and where shooter requirements stand in the realm of bullet weights and design. You can check out their operation at https://horizonfirearms.com/ or https://22creedmoor.com/. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? Necking down is a simple one-step operation with a neck-sizing or full-length sizing die.